Sexuality, Women, and LGBT Concerns

feministdisney:

akazedoktor:

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steam-powered-jetskis:

jhenne-bean:

fowlie:

catbountry:

steam-powered-jetskis:

Oh for fuck’s sake it’s called stylizing!

“You know what’s bigger than my body? My head!!”
Cartoons are MEANT to be stylized. It means it exaggerates shapes. If you want realistic proportions, why don’t you watch only live action films?

Man I am fuckin’ so sick of people bitching about stylization.
Sometimes I think people bitching about how they find this sort of thing offensive in cartoons actually hate cartoons.

God thank you.
If your number one complaint about Disney is that their cartoon proportions are too unrealistic, then please just go find something better to complain about and blame for all of societies ill wills. Like how photos of real woman are air bushed to look perfict.

IKR?
I mean, golly gee!
There certainly cant be any correlation between the fact that real women are airbrushed to be perfect and the above-posted stylized body type that is more or less blanket-represented in our media, which is a major agent of socialization and an extremely formative influence in terms of ideals and body image!
THAT WOULD JUST BE WACKY, AMIRITE?
I mean, imagine applying critical thinking to the media? Like…like media studies or something! That shit cray!!!(And again, no, I love cartoons.)
(I just lack that willful ignorance thing I keep hearing so much about.)
(Really though, I don’t get the “I LOVE CARTOONS!!! Guys stop biiitchiiiinnnnng it’s just a cartoon!” attitude. Is it not more insulting to, say, trivialize the importance of the medium?)

LOL I’m studying to work in animation, do you honestly think I’d be one to trivialize it?
I’m only a student, but so far I can tell you that when designing a character, NOBODY is wondering if their head should be bigger than their waist. We’re really not looking for body image or anything related to reality, just… summing up a human being’s shape, and exaggerating some parts for different purposes. Eyes for emotion, thin fingers for grace, and general body shape so that the character’s silhouette is immediately identifiable and easy to tell apart from the other characters, while keeping a similar style. If you look at real people, they’re gonna be different in shape, but never as different as cartoon characters. Nobody’s as tall as Jafar, as muscular as the Genie, as ball-shaped as the Sultan… But nobody talks about that, because this isn’t about women’s body image.
I’m definitely not saying “chill out it’s JUST a cartoon”, I’m saying that the people who work for animated films know very well that this waist size isn’t possible. But to them, her waist is that small for the same reason her eyes are that big, her hair is so fluffy, etc. It’s called STYLIZING. It’s not about women needing to have tiny waists, it’s about the character’s style. No one’s talking about how your mouth should be on your chin like in As Told By Ginger.

Yes thank you JESUS.

I just want to point out that this is the same company that gave us sassy, chubby Hawaiian women in Lilo and Stitch. And a lot of movies where the female characters actually do cool stuff instead of sitting around looking pretty. And some of the best female villains ever written.
The whole point of stylization is that people know it’s not real. No one’s beating themselves up because they don’t look like Jasmine; they’re beating themselves up because they don’t look like Megan Fox.

people are beating themselves up because of the constant portrayal of the ideal woman as being incredibly thin, and no other size.    This is constant through animation and through live action films and television.   The whole point of your brain is that when you interpret a bunch of moving shapes on a screen as a person, you can’t just opt out of all the subconscious messages you’re then absorbing. This isn’t the problem itself, Jasmine and all princesses ever, but they’re part of a larger problem.
Stylization can occur in many ways.   if it were truly unbiased and not subconsciously promoting the idea of one size as ideal for all bodies, you would see a variety of shapes for women, like what you see with men.   The above person even brought that up without even realizing it killed their point. Probably because they’re an animation student and clearly going to continue this trend if they can without remorse… I wish I was being sarcastic but I don’t actually think I am.
PS Lilo and Stitch is the exception, not the definer of the rule.   If you read the review on it anyway you’d say that Disney, although it was great they went along with it, granted, hadn’t really come up with the idea themselves per say.

akazedoktor:

catbountry:

steam-powered-jetskis:

jhenne-bean:

fowlie:

catbountry:

steam-powered-jetskis:

Oh for fuck’s sake it’s called stylizing!

“You know what’s bigger than my body? My head!!”

Cartoons are MEANT to be stylized. It means it exaggerates shapes. If you want realistic proportions, why don’t you watch only live action films?

Man I am fuckin’ so sick of people bitching about stylization.

Sometimes I think people bitching about how they find this sort of thing offensive in cartoons actually hate cartoons.

God thank you.

If your number one complaint about Disney is that their cartoon proportions are too unrealistic, then please just go find something better to complain about and blame for all of societies ill wills. Like how photos of real woman are air bushed to look perfict.

IKR?

I mean, golly gee!

There certainly cant be any correlation between the fact that real women are airbrushed to be perfect and the above-posted stylized body type that is more or less blanket-represented in our media, which is a major agent of socialization and an extremely formative influence in terms of ideals and body image!

THAT WOULD JUST BE WACKY, AMIRITE?

I mean, imagine applying critical thinking to the media? Like…like media studies or something! That shit cray!!!

(And again, no, I love cartoons.)

(I just lack that willful ignorance thing I keep hearing so much about.)

(Really though, I don’t get the “I LOVE CARTOONS!!! Guys stop biiitchiiiinnnnng it’s just a cartoon!” attitude. Is it not more insulting to, say, trivialize the importance of the medium?)

LOL I’m studying to work in animation, do you honestly think I’d be one to trivialize it?

I’m only a student, but so far I can tell you that when designing a character, NOBODY is wondering if their head should be bigger than their waist. We’re really not looking for body image or anything related to reality, just… summing up a human being’s shape, and exaggerating some parts for different purposes. Eyes for emotion, thin fingers for grace, and general body shape so that the character’s silhouette is immediately identifiable and easy to tell apart from the other characters, while keeping a similar style. If you look at real people, they’re gonna be different in shape, but never as different as cartoon characters. Nobody’s as tall as Jafar, as muscular as the Genie, as ball-shaped as the Sultan… But nobody talks about that, because this isn’t about women’s body image.

I’m definitely not saying “chill out it’s JUST a cartoon”, I’m saying that the people who work for animated films know very well that this waist size isn’t possible. But to them, her waist is that small for the same reason her eyes are that big, her hair is so fluffy, etc. It’s called STYLIZING. It’s not about women needing to have tiny waists, it’s about the character’s style. No one’s talking about how your mouth should be on your chin like in As Told By Ginger.

Yes thank you JESUS.

I just want to point out that this is the same company that gave us sassy, chubby Hawaiian women in Lilo and Stitch. And a lot of movies where the female characters actually do cool stuff instead of sitting around looking pretty. And some of the best female villains ever written.

The whole point of stylization is that people know it’s not real. No one’s beating themselves up because they don’t look like Jasmine; they’re beating themselves up because they don’t look like Megan Fox.

people are beating themselves up because of the constant portrayal of the ideal woman as being incredibly thin, and no other size.    This is constant through animation and through live action films and television.   The whole point of your brain is that when you interpret a bunch of moving shapes on a screen as a person, you can’t just opt out of all the subconscious messages you’re then absorbing. This isn’t the problem itself, Jasmine and all princesses ever, but they’re part of a larger problem.

Stylization can occur in many ways.   if it were truly unbiased and not subconsciously promoting the idea of one size as ideal for all bodies, you would see a variety of shapes for women, like what you see with men.   The above person even brought that up without even realizing it killed their point. Probably because they’re an animation student and clearly going to continue this trend if they can without remorse… I wish I was being sarcastic but I don’t actually think I am.

PS Lilo and Stitch is the exception, not the definer of the rule.   If you read the review on it anyway you’d say that Disney, although it was great they went along with it, granted, hadn’t really come up with the idea themselves per say.